Računalne komponente i problemi

stitrek

Pod PC/Laptop sam mislio PC ili Laptop, najbitnije je da ima nekakav backup, a kad se PC popravi obavezno javi sto je bilo tako da širimo znanje😁

fensisuperstar

stitrek može. Danas ima termin kod lokalnog egzorciste.

Kaiserus

fensisuperstar drugi PC se trenuitno sastvlja, ali samo komponente. Slažemo mi.

Torgue

Kolege, molio bih savjet/pomoć.

Otkako sam kupio komp prije četiri godine (Radeon RX 5700 XT + AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor) sam imao puna slučajeva BSOD-a. Nakon 2-3 mjeseca sam odnio na servis gdje su mi rekli da je problem bio u BIOS-u. Nakon toga sam imao periode veće ili manje stabilnosti (ovisno o driverima i BIOS-u) ali ovaj mjesec me je jako iziritirao jer bi znao imati svaki dan barem jedan BSOD, a par puta mi se PC tri puta rušio u jednom danu.

Prije servisa bi se problem pojavio tijekom gledanja video sadržaja na netu dok je kasnije bilo što moglo biti okidač: igranje, surfanje, gledanje videa, idleanje. Najviše grešaka sam imao kad sam stavio najnovije verziju drivera za grafičku (23.11.1) pa sam počeo rollbackat na starijie verzije ali i one imaju probleme. Sumnje mi padaju na najnoviju verziju BIOS-a za matičnu (ASRock B450M Pro4), ali ona nema mogućnost rollbacka, koliko vidim.

Da li mi je rješenje ići driver po driver dok ne nađem verziju koja paše ili postoji druga opcija?

Greške s RX 5700 XT driverima 23.8.2:

19.11.2023 - 01:05:03 - KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE

21.11.2023 - 15:26:14 - KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE

21.11.2023 - 18:10:14 - KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE

22.11.2023 - 02:45:00 - IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

Greške s RX 5700 XT driverima 23.7.2 (trenutni driver):

23/11/2023 00:59:07 - IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

24/11/2023 00:06:48 - PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

24/11/2023 01:07:59 - APC_INDEX_MISMATCH

24/11/2023 01:45:50 - IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

25/11/2023 11:54:17 - APC_INDEX_MISMATCH

Ova tri iz 24.11. su se dogodila tijekom igranja Phoenix Wrighta.

DxDiag ću staviti u drugi post.

fensisuperstar

Torgue ako imas flash usb ulaz na matičnoj mozes

Probaj reflashst biose.

Torgue

Nije stao cijeli DxDiag pa javite ako treba nešto specifično:

System Information

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  Time of this report: 11/25/2023, 12:27:29

         Machine name: DESKTOP-JVIRF6T

           Machine Id: {48304041-D9A0-47F5-BCAD-78ACCBEDA3CA}

     Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 19045) (19041.vb_release.191206-1406)

             Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

  System Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.

         System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.

                 BIOS: P8.01 (type: UEFI)

            Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor               (12 CPUs), \~3.6GHz

               Memory: 16384MB RAM

  Available OS Memory: 16310MB RAM

            Page File: 10317MB used, 8423MB available

          Windows Dir: C:\\WINDOWS

      DirectX Version: DirectX 12

  DX Setup Parameters: Not found

     User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)

   System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)

      DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled

             Miracast: Available, with HDCP

Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported

DirectX Database Version: 1.0.8

       DxDiag Version: 10.00.19041.3636 64bit Unicode

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    Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

       Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x731F)

        DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)

     Device Type: Full Device (POST)

      Device Key: Enum\\PCI\\VEN_1002&DEV_731F&SUBSYS_E4111DA2&REV_C1

   Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]

Device Problem Code: No Problem

Driver Problem Code: Unknown

  Display Memory: 16306 MB

Dedicated Memory: 8151 MB

   Shared Memory: 8154 MB

    Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)

     HDR Support: Not Supported

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Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22_NONE_P709

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    Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor

   Monitor Model: ASUS VS247

      Monitor Id: ACI249A

     Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)

     Output Type: HDMI

Monitor Capabilities: HDR Not Supported

Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32BPP

  Advanced Color: Not Supported

     Driver Name: C:\\WINDOWS\\System32\\DriverStore\\FileRepository\\u0394441.inf_amd64_57e767cb37419fb0\\B394106\\aticfx64.dll,C:\\WINDOWS\\System32\\DriverStore\\FileRepository\\u0394441.inf_amd64_57e767cb37419fb0\\B394106\\aticfx64.dll,C:\\WINDOWS\\System32\\DriverStore\\FileRepository\\u0394441.inf_amd64_57e767cb37419fb0\\B394106\\aticfx64.dll,C:\\WINDOWS\\System32\\DriverStore\\FileRepository\\u0394441.inf_amd64_57e767cb37419fb0\\B394106\\amdxc64.dll

Driver File Version: 31.00.21023.2010 (English)

  Driver Version: 31.0.21023.2010

     DDI Version: 12

  Feature Levels: 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1

    Driver Model: WDDM 2.7

Hardware Scheduling: Supported:False Enabled:False

Graphics Preemption: Primitive

Compute Preemption: DMA

        Miracast: Not Supported

  Detachable GPU: No

Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported

  Power P-states: Not Supported

  Virtualization: Paravirtualization 

      Block List: DISABLE_HWSCH

Catalog Attributes: Universal:False Declarative:True

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Driver Date/Size: 20/07/2023 01:00:00, 1856888 bytes

     WHQL Logo'd: Yes

 WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown

Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-305F-11CF-C879-0E966EC2D235}

       Vendor ID: 0x1002

       Device ID: 0x731F

       SubSys ID: 0xE4111DA2

     Revision ID: 0x00C1

Driver Strong Name: oem0.inf:cb0ae41454c31b16:ati2mtag_Navi10:31.0.21023.2010😛CI\VEN_1002&DEV_731F&SUBSYS_E4111DA2&REV_C1

  Rank Of Driver: 00CF0000

     Video Accel: Unknown

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         DXVA-HD: Not Supported

    DDraw Status: Enabled

      D3D Status: Enabled

      AGP Status: Enabled

   MPO MaxPlanes: 2

        MPO Caps: ROTATION,VERTICAL_FLIP,HORIZONTAL_FLIP,RGB,YUV,BILINEAR,HIGH_FILTER,STRETCH_YUV,STRETCH_RGB,IMMEDIATE,HDR (MPO3)

     MPO Stretch: 16.000X - 0.250X

 MPO Media Hints: rotation, resizing, colorspace Conversion 

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PanelFitter Caps: ROTATION,VERTICAL_FLIP,HORIZONTAL_FLIP,RGB,YUV,BILINEAR,HIGH_FILTER,STRETCH_YUV,STRETCH_RGB,IMMEDIATE,HDR (MPO3)

PanelFitter Stretch: 16.000X - 0.250X

Component Drivers:

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      Driver Version: Unknown

         Driver Date: Unknown

     Driver Provider: Unknown

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chono

Torgue samo cu ti reci slijedeci put odi na Intel + Nvidia combo. Ti si vec treca osoba ove godine koja ima probleme sa AMD buildom

Torgue

chono Ta pouka je rano izvučena.

prayer

chono

Ja ti imam Ryzen 5700x i 3070ti i radi mi savršeno. Jest da AMD ima najgore drivere ikada ali nisu nikad radili BSOD barem koliko ja znam. Osobno mislim da je ili do matične ili do Windowsa.

Genesis

chono samo intel 🙂

stitrek

chono

Nema to veze sa Intel/Nvidia ili Amd/Amd, kvarovi postoje na svim verzijama hardwarea. Prilikom slaganja novog PC-a dobro je staviti zadnje chipset drivere a Bios update tek po potrebi procesora ako ga zahtjeva.

Bsod je najcesce vezan uz Disk, Ram ili Windows, treba krenuti jednim redom pa ce se otkriti.

Sterlok

DDU i deinstaliraj drivere pa instaliraj najnovije. Ak ne pomogne pukni windowse na čisto.

Torgue

Sterlok Očišćeno s DDU i instalirani najnoviji WHQL driveri pa ćemo vidjet.

Torgue

fensisuperstar https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M%20Pro4/index.asp#BIOS

Trenutno imam instalirano najnoviju verziju, 8.01 [Beta]. Pošto nema obavijesti o nemogućnosti instalacije starih verzija, da probam radije staviti zadnju stabilnu verziju (5.70) ?

EDIT: Zanemari, ovo mi pop-upa kada sam probao preuzeti:

stitrek

Torgue

Instaliranje zadnjeg Biosa ti nije bio potreban jer imas Ryzen 3600 koji radi na dosta starijih verzija Biosa.

Beta verzije nije preporucljivo instalirati bez obzira sto su najnoviji.

fensisuperstar

Torgue ahh sad sam skuzio. to je bios za 5000 seriju ako se ne varam. Isto kao sto i ja imam bios update za nove procesore.

ono sto sam mislio je da flashas isti bios sa usba kojeg imaš sad. Btw, dal dizes ram na docp/xmp? ako dizes probaj jednostavno skinut ga sa profila na stock i vidi kako ti se ponaša. kod mene je to bio recimo problem :-)

chono

stitrek znam, radio sam u servisu 5 godina. 90% kvarova i faulty uredaja je bio AMD, pogotovo grafe i oni retardirani Bulldozer i Vishera CPUovi.

Uzmes Nvidia i Intel i bas moras biti baksuz da imas faulty komponentu, dok na sitne musice i zaguljene pizdarije mozes zaboravit

Heat

chono Baš sam nedavno naletio na procesor RMA statistike u Švicarskoj, Intel 1%, AMD 1.5%. Grafičke od AMD-a su ipak daleko od Nvidije.

stitrek

chono

Radim sa PC-evima 25 godina. Amd je uvijek bio underdog, ali od vremena Ryzena su odlicni, pogotovo AM4-AM5 naspram Lga 1200-1700.

Sto se tice grafickih, razlika je samo u chipu i driverima a Nvidia je isto imala ponekad gafova kao i Amd sa gpu hardware-om, Amd mozda malo cesce u povijesti sa stabilnoscu drivera ali su im sucelje i opcije puno bolje od Nvidije, jos jedna prednost Amd-a danas je podrska za Frame generator (Afmf) na Rdna2 i 3 na driver razini za sve dx11-12 igre, to je dosta bitno za slabije kartice a pogotovo kad krenu Unreal 5 engine naslovi.

Sterlok

Mindfactory reveals what the RMA is for NVIDIA and AMD graphics - HardwarEsfera

The first data is revealing and is that AMD would have sold 44.100 graphics cards in Germany while NVIDIA would have sold 76.280. Of the total of NVIDIA graphics, of 1.607 the RMA would have been processed, which is 2.1%. On the other hand, the RMA of 1.452 AMD graphics would have been processed, which is 3.3%. If both had sold the same, AMD's RMA would be 50% higher than NVIDIA's.

Regarding the models with less RMA, the one that would give AMD the least problems is the RX 5500 XT, not reaching 1% of RMA. More or less the same thing happens with the RTX 2070 Super, which barely reach 1% RMA. Whereas the RX 5700 XT would have a 3.6% failure rate and the RX 2080 Ti would have a 5.3% failure rate.

Kod AMDa je RX 5700XT poznata problematičnost sa stabilnošću. Ali neke velike razlike nema iako je razlika od 50% kad se uzme da je vraćeno 3.3% AMD grafa i 2.1% Nvidija.

Ostalo su anegdotalne priče.

chono

stitrek krenuli su i guess what, tehnicki su sranje 😅 je to je jako bitno za AMD grafe je prakticki vise nemaju high end proizvod, odustali su.

@Sterlok ostalo je iskustvo i rad sa time, sto ne ulazi u statistiku. Rebolaj AMD grafu na laptopu i da radi duze od par mjeseci, izazivam te. Nvidiu nikad nisam ni morao

stitrek

chono

Za high-end gpu nemaju aduta i to je pravilo vec desetak godina, za entry i srednji razred kartica imaju odlicne ponude, cesto povoljnije od Nvidije.

Sterlok

chono ostalo je iskustvo i rad sa time, sto ne ulazi u statistiku. Rebolaj AMD grafu na laptopu i da radi duze od par mjeseci, izazivam te. Nvidiu nikad nisam ni morao

sve 5, nitko ovdje neće nikome promijeniti mišljenje. Ja kupujem iz Intela, Nvidije i AMDa i sa svime sam bio zadovoljan, nikada problema ni sa jednima. Jedina stavr koja mi je bila nestabilna je Socket A nforce 2 chipset ploča, jer je iscurio kondenzator pa sam ju reklamirao i dobio novu. Osim toga riknule neke tipkovnice, ova moderna mehanička smeća koja počnu dvoklikati.

stitrek

chono

Rebol spada u kemijanje isto kao i pecenje chipova. Asus npr. za Amd ili Nvdijia chip koristi isti lem ako se radi o istom rangu kartice, to vazi za memoriju, kondezatore, mosfete…

Imala je i Nvidija problema sa nekim Rtx 2000 modelima i memorijom, sve je to hardwareski li-la ako se radi o istom rangu kartica kod istog proizvođaca, normalno je da ce najskuplji Sapphire biti malo kvalitetniji od najeftinijeg AsRocka, ali isto vazi i za Nvidia kartice.

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